Re: rather stupid mix question

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Posted by Diane on May 3, 2004 at 07:05:06:

In reply to: Re: rather stupid mix question posted by Pierre on May 2, 2004 at 12:27:57:

: : I'm messing with mixes again, and looking to try to achieve a
more
: : purpley red. I see in Fia's section that she suggests grape
juice;
: : now for some reason not being able to get grape juice here, I
have
: : the nearest thing (in terms of colour anyway), blackcurrant
juice. My
: : question is this: its one of these "juice drink" type things,
i.e.
: : with only a small percentage of actual juice and other stuff
: : including glucose syrup, sugar etc. (I sure wouldn't go drinking
it,
: : but I might put it on my head,lol) is this a bizarre thing to use
in
: : a mixture that goes on the hair? Other than making me sweet and
: : sticky, heehee is there any reason not to use it? I see here
that
: : some people use honey in their mixes (I know honey is actually a
good
: : moisturizer) but in terms of the stickiness issue it should be
the
: : same principle shouldn't it? Just checking...
:
: Part of the reason for using grape juice is that grapes have a
tannin. I don't know
: whether blackcurrants do. There are two unrelated fruits called
currants. One is in
: the genus Vitis, the same as the grape; the other is in the genus
Ribes in the
: family Grossulariaceae (not to be confused with Rubus in Rosaceae,
which is the
: brambleberry). According to Delta, ellagic acid (a tannin) presence
is variable in
: Ribes. To get to grapes, change "grossula" to "vitidace".

Hmm...Okay. From what I can comprehend, the blackcurrants look a bit
iffy in the tannins department. Especially since this product
contains so very little of the actual juice I think its safe to
assume that a person would get negligible tannin if any at all. Now
the question is: are the tannins desirable or necessary? So they have
to do with the dyeing properties of the substance ( I know that some
of the other common mixing liquids like black tea and wine have them,
but then lemon juice wouldn't??? (or would?)

I did however recognize the ribes nigra plant which we have growing
in back of our house; and now that I know the scientific name at
least I understand why the brand name of the juice is "Ribena" (never
did get that one).

I'm only interested in it for its colour. I'll be trying it in a mix
soon and see what comes up. Thanks Pierre

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: : : I'm messing with mixes again, and looking to try to achieve a : more : : : purpley red. I see in Fia's section that she suggests grape : juice; : : : now for some reason not being able to get grape juice here, I : have : : : the nearest thing (in terms of colour anyway), blackcurrant : juice. My : : : question is this: its one of these "juice drink" type things, : i.e. : : : with only a small percentage of actual juice and other stuff : : : including glucose syrup, sugar etc. (I sure wouldn't go drinking : it, : : : but I might put it on my head,lol) is this a bizarre thing to use : in : : : a mixture that goes on the hair? Other than making me sweet and : : : sticky, heehee is there any reason not to use it? I see here : that : : : some people use honey in their mixes (I know honey is actually a : good : : : moisturizer) but in terms of the stickiness issue it should be : the : : : same principle shouldn't it? Just checking... : : : : Part of the reason for using grape juice is that grapes have a : tannin. I don't know : : whether blackcurrants do. There are two unrelated fruits called : currants. One is in : : the genus Vitis, the same as the grape; the other is in the genus : Ribes in the : : family Grossulariaceae (not to be confused with Rubus in Rosaceae, : which is the : : brambleberry). According to Delta, ellagic acid (a tannin) presence : is variable in : : Ribes. To get to grapes, change "grossula" to "vitidace". : : Hmm...Okay. From what I can comprehend, the blackcurrants look a bit : iffy in the tannins department. Especially since this product : contains so very little of the actual juice I think its safe to : assume that a person would get negligible tannin if any at all. Now : the question is: are the tannins desirable or necessary? So they have : to do with the dyeing properties of the substance ( I know that some : of the other common mixing liquids like black tea and wine have them, : but then lemon juice wouldn't??? (or would?) : : I did however recognize the ribes nigra plant which we have growing : in back of our house; and now that I know the scientific name at : least I understand why the brand name of the juice is "Ribena" (never : did get that one). : : I'm only interested in it for its colour. I'll be trying it in a mix : soon and see what comes up. Thanks Pierre
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