Oxidation and Raspberry Juice

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Posted by Debra on July 10, 2004 at 18:14:46:

In reply to: Re: Yeah, but..... posted by hannahl on July 10, 2004 at 11:56:26:

:
: Hello Diane,
:
: Yes there are others who suffer from first time red-head shock in
spite of 3 strand tests. i
: found just as you did that it looked different on my whole head.
The warm coppery tone is
: just the thing that shocks me too--especially since (as I think you
said you have) I have
: cool skin tones. It's a beautiul color--for someone else. I just
did mine last Tues. and am
: waiting for indigo and cassia. An additional problem for me is
that as well as needing a
: cool color, I also need something not too dark since I'm fair with
light (and sparse) brows
: and lashes. I posted another request about how to cool it down
without making it too
: dark. I 've also considered putting the leftovers (just as it's
already mixed) on just the
: front. But that will probably make it too dark when I add indigo
another time. so I have
: no answers for you, just more questions and will eagerly watch the
posts. thanks to
: everyone for help so far and in advance.
:
: PS a short layered hairstyle is a good way to minimize a color you
don't want and the
: unwanted part. I got rid of my highlights in 2-3 months--depending
how often I had it
: cut and how short. Of course everyone doesn't want hair that short.
:
: PPS another problem I have is that I hennaed over a previous henna
from an inferior brand
: which I let grow in for 8 weeks. those roots are significantly
different from the rest but I
: don't want to darken them too much yet esp. since I haven't decided
whether to cut my
: hair again and I want to be able to experiment with a lighter mix
if possible. I'll be
: devastated if I can't find a shade to suit me after admiring all
the beautiful heads of hair
: on this site!

Thank goodness for oxidation, my hair has darkened quite a bit in the
last 24 hours. It looks in the sun like it used to look in the shade.
I see now why people want to hold on to the pre-oxidation look for
maximum pizazz. Oxidation reminds me of how the hood of an older red
car oxides in the sun, the hair gets a sort of a fuzzy matte finish
and then I wash it and shiny, darker hair underneath. Even the
highlights have darkened a bit, but unfortunately still too coppery
for my face.

To other first time henna people, I highly recommend waiting out the
oxidation period before you do anything else to your hair. The
difference for my thin hair was fairly dramatic and its only been 48
hours.

Hannahl- I feel for you having to experiment keeping things light.
Seems there is more margin of error going darker. When my indigo
arrives I'll run another battery of test strips and let you know what
I find. Please post any of your experiment results as well. You
probably look more natural as a red head with light eyebrows than I
do with my black one. I am checking out the eyebrows of every red
head I see on TV.

Alison has a helpful post above with some suggestions for me with
beet and grape juice. Thank you Alison. It seems to me maybe juice
additives are better for lighter hair since you can dilute them
instead of pure indigo paste. I fear their effects may be less
permanent than henna. Maybe Catherine knows about this.

I was thinking raspberry juice might be a good additive. Whenever I
get the kid juice on clothes it stains to a permanent blue as soon as
soapy water touches it. The shade depends on how diluted the juice
is. Not sure how difficult it is to find in pure form, I'll check at
the local upmarket grocery store. I saw some from Begium on the web
for making rasberry beer. If I find it I'll give it a try on a
sample and report back.

I do think straight henna will work well for me once my highlights
grow out. The dark mahogany color with the lighter highlights from
my grey look pretty good. The highlights give my hair a dimension so
the grey is sort of a blessing.

I wish I could layer my old salon highlights out with a cut, but I
have extremely fine hair and not that much of it. The blunt cut and
clipping it back are about all it can handle. Maybe with healthy
henna conditioned hair that will change.

Clip those sample strands before you get your hair cut, your
hairdresser may wonder what happened to you but they sure come in
handy. I scotch taped the cut ends together of my 1-2" clumps and
mark my mixes with a Sharpie on the tape to I can tell them a part.

Thanks everyone for all the info. I think I am addicted to henna
and will eventually find a mix that works for me. If it covers my
grey in one at home process that doesn't make a marked root line as
it grows out I will be one happy camper.

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no problem Alison 23:38:36 7/10/2004 (0)
Re: Oxidation and Raspberry Juice hannahl 21:55:39 7/10/2004 (0)

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: : : : Hello Diane, : : : : Yes there are others who suffer from first time red-head shock in : spite of 3 strand tests. i : : found just as you did that it looked different on my whole head. : The warm coppery tone is : : just the thing that shocks me too--especially since (as I think you : said you have) I have : : cool skin tones. It's a beautiul color--for someone else. I just : did mine last Tues. and am : : waiting for indigo and cassia. An additional problem for me is : that as well as needing a : : cool color, I also need something not too dark since I'm fair with : light (and sparse) brows : : and lashes. I posted another request about how to cool it down : without making it too : : dark. I 've also considered putting the leftovers (just as it's : already mixed) on just the : : front. But that will probably make it too dark when I add indigo : another time. so I have : : no answers for you, just more questions and will eagerly watch the : posts. thanks to : : everyone for help so far and in advance. : : : : PS a short layered hairstyle is a good way to minimize a color you : don't want and the : : unwanted part. I got rid of my highlights in 2-3 months--depending : how often I had it : : cut and how short. Of course everyone doesn't want hair that short. : : : : PPS another problem I have is that I hennaed over a previous henna : from an inferior brand : : which I let grow in for 8 weeks. those roots are significantly : different from the rest but I : : don't want to darken them too much yet esp. since I haven't decided : whether to cut my : : hair again and I want to be able to experiment with a lighter mix : if possible. I'll be : : devastated if I can't find a shade to suit me after admiring all : the beautiful heads of hair : : on this site! : : Thank goodness for oxidation, my hair has darkened quite a bit in the : last 24 hours. It looks in the sun like it used to look in the shade. : I see now why people want to hold on to the pre-oxidation look for : maximum pizazz. Oxidation reminds me of how the hood of an older red : car oxides in the sun, the hair gets a sort of a fuzzy matte finish : and then I wash it and shiny, darker hair underneath. Even the : highlights have darkened a bit, but unfortunately still too coppery : for my face. : : To other first time henna people, I highly recommend waiting out the : oxidation period before you do anything else to your hair. The : difference for my thin hair was fairly dramatic and its only been 48 : hours. : : Hannahl- I feel for you having to experiment keeping things light. : Seems there is more margin of error going darker. When my indigo : arrives I'll run another battery of test strips and let you know what : I find. Please post any of your experiment results as well. You : probably look more natural as a red head with light eyebrows than I : do with my black one. I am checking out the eyebrows of every red : head I see on TV. : : Alison has a helpful post above with some suggestions for me with : beet and grape juice. Thank you Alison. It seems to me maybe juice : additives are better for lighter hair since you can dilute them : instead of pure indigo paste. I fear their effects may be less : permanent than henna. Maybe Catherine knows about this. : : I was thinking raspberry juice might be a good additive. Whenever I : get the kid juice on clothes it stains to a permanent blue as soon as : soapy water touches it. The shade depends on how diluted the juice : is. Not sure how difficult it is to find in pure form, I'll check at : the local upmarket grocery store. I saw some from Begium on the web : for making rasberry beer. If I find it I'll give it a try on a : sample and report back. : : I do think straight henna will work well for me once my highlights : grow out. The dark mahogany color with the lighter highlights from : my grey look pretty good. The highlights give my hair a dimension so : the grey is sort of a blessing. : : I wish I could layer my old salon highlights out with a cut, but I : have extremely fine hair and not that much of it. The blunt cut and : clipping it back are about all it can handle. Maybe with healthy : henna conditioned hair that will change. : : Clip those sample strands before you get your hair cut, your : hairdresser may wonder what happened to you but they sure come in : handy. I scotch taped the cut ends together of my 1-2" clumps and : mark my mixes with a Sharpie on the tape to I can tell them a part. : : Thanks everyone for all the info. I think I am addicted to henna : and will eventually find a mix that works for me. If it covers my : grey in one at home process that doesn't make a marked root line as : it grows out I will be one happy camper.
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