Re: Oxidation and Raspberry Juice

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Posted by hannahl on July 10, 2004 at 21:55:39:

In reply to: Oxidation and Raspberry Juice posted by Debra on July 10, 2004 at 18:14:46:

: :
: : Hello Diane,
: :
: : Yes there are others who suffer from first time red-head shock in
: spite of 3 strand tests. i
: : found just as you did that it looked different on my whole head.
: The warm coppery tone is
: : just the thing that shocks me too--especially since (as I think you
: said you have) I have
: : cool skin tones. It's a beautiul color--for someone else. I just
: did mine last Tues. and am
: : waiting for indigo and cassia. An additional problem for me is
: that as well as needing a
: : cool color, I also need something not too dark since I'm fair with
: light (and sparse) brows
: : and lashes. I posted another request about how to cool it down
: without making it too
: : dark. I 've also considered putting the leftovers (just as it's
: already mixed) on just the
: : front. But that will probably make it too dark when I add indigo
: another time. so I have
: : no answers for you, just more questions and will eagerly watch the
: posts. thanks to
: : everyone for help so far and in advance.
: :
: : PS a short layered hairstyle is a good way to minimize a color you
: don't want and the
: : unwanted part. I got rid of my highlights in 2-3 months--depending
: how often I had it
: : cut and how short. Of course everyone doesn't want hair that short.
: :
: : PPS another problem I have is that I hennaed over a previous henna
: from an inferior brand
: : which I let grow in for 8 weeks. those roots are significantly
: different from the rest but I
: : don't want to darken them too much yet esp. since I haven't decided
: whether to cut my
: : hair again and I want to be able to experiment with a lighter mix
: if possible. I'll be
: : devastated if I can't find a shade to suit me after admiring all
: the beautiful heads of hair
: : on this site!
:
: Thank goodness for oxidation, my hair has darkened quite a bit in the
: last 24 hours. It looks in the sun like it used to look in the shade.
: I see now why people want to hold on to the pre-oxidation look for
: maximum pizazz. Oxidation reminds me of how the hood of an older red
: car oxides in the sun, the hair gets a sort of a fuzzy matte finish
: and then I wash it and shiny, darker hair underneath. Even the
: highlights have darkened a bit, but unfortunately still too coppery
: for my face.
:
: To other first time henna people, I highly recommend waiting out the
: oxidation period before you do anything else to your hair. The
: difference for my thin hair was fairly dramatic and its only been 48
: hours.
:
: Hannahl- I feel for you having to experiment keeping things light.
: Seems there is more margin of error going darker. When my indigo
: arrives I'll run another battery of test strips and let you know what
: I find. Please post any of your experiment results as well. You
: probably look more natural as a red head with light eyebrows than I
: do with my black one. I am checking out the eyebrows of every red
: head I see on TV.
:
: Alison has a helpful post above with some suggestions for me with
: beet and grape juice. Thank you Alison. It seems to me maybe juice
: additives are better for lighter hair since you can dilute them
: instead of pure indigo paste. I fear their effects may be less
: permanent than henna. Maybe Catherine knows about this.
:
: I was thinking raspberry juice might be a good additive. Whenever I
: get the kid juice on clothes it stains to a permanent blue as soon as
: soapy water touches it. The shade depends on how diluted the juice
: is. Not sure how difficult it is to find in pure form, I'll check at
: the local upmarket grocery store. I saw some from Begium on the web
: for making rasberry beer. If I find it I'll give it a try on a
: sample and report back.
:
: I do think straight henna will work well for me once my highlights
: grow out. The dark mahogany color with the lighter highlights from
: my grey look pretty good. The highlights give my hair a dimension so
: the grey is sort of a blessing.
:
: I wish I could layer my old salon highlights out with a cut, but I
: have extremely fine hair and not that much of it. The blunt cut and
: clipping it back are about all it can handle. Maybe with healthy
: henna conditioned hair that will change.
:
: Clip those sample strands before you get your hair cut, your
: hairdresser may wonder what happened to you but they sure come in
: handy. I scotch taped the cut ends together of my 1-2" clumps and
: mark my mixes with a Sharpie on the tape to I can tell them a part.
:
: Thanks everyone for all the info. I think I am addicted to henna
: and will eventually find a mix that works for me. If it covers my
: grey in one at home process that doesn't make a marked root line as
: it grows out I will be one happy camper.

Debra--good idea to take some snips before going to the hairdresser--thanks for that
thought.

SOme alternate juices have occurred to me too--cranberry--can be a very concentrated
one, Knudsen makes one and Walnut Acres too, I think. I thought maybe blueberry would
give a truer blue than grape (henna is red enough), which I used, and I haven't tried it yet,
but in the bottle it looks as purple as grape and has more sediment too--good or bad I
don't know.

I've posted some other questions about cassia--mixing it with the indigo and henna.
Would it turn green? Can it all be added to an existing mix when thawed? As I told Pam I
may be getting a real short haircut soon.

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: : : : : : Hello Diane, : : : : : : Yes there are others who suffer from first time red-head shock in : : spite of 3 strand tests. i : : : found just as you did that it looked different on my whole head. : : The warm coppery tone is : : : just the thing that shocks me too--especially since (as I think you : : said you have) I have : : : cool skin tones. It's a beautiul color--for someone else. I just : : did mine last Tues. and am : : : waiting for indigo and cassia. An additional problem for me is : : that as well as needing a : : : cool color, I also need something not too dark since I'm fair with : : light (and sparse) brows : : : and lashes. I posted another request about how to cool it down : : without making it too : : : dark. I 've also considered putting the leftovers (just as it's : : already mixed) on just the : : : front. But that will probably make it too dark when I add indigo : : another time. so I have : : : no answers for you, just more questions and will eagerly watch the : : posts. thanks to : : : everyone for help so far and in advance. : : : : : : PS a short layered hairstyle is a good way to minimize a color you : : don't want and the : : : unwanted part. I got rid of my highlights in 2-3 months--depending : : how often I had it : : : cut and how short. Of course everyone doesn't want hair that short. : : : : : : PPS another problem I have is that I hennaed over a previous henna : : from an inferior brand : : : which I let grow in for 8 weeks. those roots are significantly : : different from the rest but I : : : don't want to darken them too much yet esp. since I haven't decided : : whether to cut my : : : hair again and I want to be able to experiment with a lighter mix : : if possible. I'll be : : : devastated if I can't find a shade to suit me after admiring all : : the beautiful heads of hair : : : on this site! : : : : Thank goodness for oxidation, my hair has darkened quite a bit in the : : last 24 hours. It looks in the sun like it used to look in the shade. : : I see now why people want to hold on to the pre-oxidation look for : : maximum pizazz. Oxidation reminds me of how the hood of an older red : : car oxides in the sun, the hair gets a sort of a fuzzy matte finish : : and then I wash it and shiny, darker hair underneath. Even the : : highlights have darkened a bit, but unfortunately still too coppery : : for my face. : : : : To other first time henna people, I highly recommend waiting out the : : oxidation period before you do anything else to your hair. The : : difference for my thin hair was fairly dramatic and its only been 48 : : hours. : : : : Hannahl- I feel for you having to experiment keeping things light. : : Seems there is more margin of error going darker. When my indigo : : arrives I'll run another battery of test strips and let you know what : : I find. Please post any of your experiment results as well. You : : probably look more natural as a red head with light eyebrows than I : : do with my black one. I am checking out the eyebrows of every red : : head I see on TV. : : : : Alison has a helpful post above with some suggestions for me with : : beet and grape juice. Thank you Alison. It seems to me maybe juice : : additives are better for lighter hair since you can dilute them : : instead of pure indigo paste. I fear their effects may be less : : permanent than henna. Maybe Catherine knows about this. : : : : I was thinking raspberry juice might be a good additive. Whenever I : : get the kid juice on clothes it stains to a permanent blue as soon as : : soapy water touches it. The shade depends on how diluted the juice : : is. Not sure how difficult it is to find in pure form, I'll check at : : the local upmarket grocery store. I saw some from Begium on the web : : for making rasberry beer. If I find it I'll give it a try on a : : sample and report back. : : : : I do think straight henna will work well for me once my highlights : : grow out. The dark mahogany color with the lighter highlights from : : my grey look pretty good. The highlights give my hair a dimension so : : the grey is sort of a blessing. : : : : I wish I could layer my old salon highlights out with a cut, but I : : have extremely fine hair and not that much of it. The blunt cut and : : clipping it back are about all it can handle. Maybe with healthy : : henna conditioned hair that will change. : : : : Clip those sample strands before you get your hair cut, your : : hairdresser may wonder what happened to you but they sure come in : : handy. I scotch taped the cut ends together of my 1-2" clumps and : : mark my mixes with a Sharpie on the tape to I can tell them a part. : : : : Thanks everyone for all the info. I think I am addicted to henna : : and will eventually find a mix that works for me. If it covers my : : grey in one at home process that doesn't make a marked root line as : : it grows out I will be one happy camper. : : : Debra--good idea to take some snips before going to the hairdresser--thanks for that : thought. : : SOme alternate juices have occurred to me too--cranberry--can be a very concentrated : one, Knudsen makes one and Walnut Acres too, I think. I thought maybe blueberry would : give a truer blue than grape (henna is red enough), which I used, and I haven't tried it yet, : but in the bottle it looks as purple as grape and has more sediment too--good or bad I : don't know. : : I've posted some other questions about cassia--mixing it with the indigo and henna. : Would it turn green? Can it all be added to an existing mix when thawed? As I told Pam I : may be getting a real short haircut soon.
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