getting rid of the orange...

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Posted by iris on April 15, 2004 at 05:35:00:

In reply to: Re: Joining the ranks... posted by Diane on April 14, 2004 at 17:02:25:

: It has settled down quite a bit (its day 5)and a lot of the orange
: gone. I'm sure my hair would behave quite a bit like yours. Its
great
: to hear that most of the orange is gone for you. Did you used to use
: other types than body art henna? Ever try the different "shades"?
yes, but always pure henna, or henna with indigo and/or coffee, never
with metallic salts or other synthetic chemicals. the only difference
between body art quality and the other stuff is that body art quality
releases more dye. the colour itself is the same.

I've had little success with adding indigo to suppress the orange.
first of all because indigo just won't stick to my hair, it washes out
in days. second, for those couple of days when the indigo is still in
there, I just don't like the colour indigo + henna produce on my hair.
it's like a warm brown, which looks worse on me than orange. at least
orange has something bold and daring about it ;-)

: I'm
: thinking that once the main ingredient is henna its going to produce
: some degree of orange anyway...
the first days for sure. as far as I understand, the thing is that the
lawsone molecule has two stages. in its unoxidyzed form, it's orange.
period. and oxidyzed henna is brown. I think this last bit is what
makes people think sometimes that henna washes out; if your natural
colour is dark brown, you won't see roots when your oxidyzed henna
grows out. but it does *not* wash out.

I don't know if you have people around you who have been hennaing for
years and years, but the people I know who have done that, all have
similar shades of dark purple hair, especially towards the ends (in
'normal' daylight, in the sun you may see a bit of orange). I think
this purple colour is the result of lots of layers of oxidyzed henna,
with a bit of unoxidyzed henna from a recent application on top. I
hope that someone will correct me if I'm babbling here... but it is
how I understand the transitions on my own hair. bright orange the
first days, moving to more like fire-engine red tones in the two weeks
after that (combination of oxidyzed and unoxidyzed henna), going to
purple/dark brown (oxidyzed with small portions of unoxidyzed henna).

can anybody comment on this way of understanding things?

iris

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Re: getting rid of the orange... Fia 05:55:11 4/20/2004 (0)
Re: getting rid of the orange... Diane 07:46:52 4/16/2004 (0)

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: : It has settled down quite a bit (its day 5)and a lot of the orange : : gone. I'm sure my hair would behave quite a bit like yours. Its : great : : to hear that most of the orange is gone for you. Did you used to use : : other types than body art henna? Ever try the different "shades"? : yes, but always pure henna, or henna with indigo and/or coffee, never : with metallic salts or other synthetic chemicals. the only difference : between body art quality and the other stuff is that body art quality : releases more dye. the colour itself is the same. : : I've had little success with adding indigo to suppress the orange. : first of all because indigo just won't stick to my hair, it washes out : in days. second, for those couple of days when the indigo is still in : there, I just don't like the colour indigo + henna produce on my hair. : it's like a warm brown, which looks worse on me than orange. at least : orange has something bold and daring about it ;-) : : : I'm : : thinking that once the main ingredient is henna its going to produce : : some degree of orange anyway... : the first days for sure. as far as I understand, the thing is that the : lawsone molecule has two stages. in its unoxidyzed form, it's orange. : period. and oxidyzed henna is brown. I think this last bit is what : makes people think sometimes that henna washes out; if your natural : colour is dark brown, you won't see roots when your oxidyzed henna : grows out. but it does not wash out. : : I don't know if you have people around you who have been hennaing for : years and years, but the people I know who have done that, all have : similar shades of dark purple hair, especially towards the ends (in : 'normal' daylight, in the sun you may see a bit of orange). I think : this purple colour is the result of lots of layers of oxidyzed henna, : with a bit of unoxidyzed henna from a recent application on top. I : hope that someone will correct me if I'm babbling here... but it is : how I understand the transitions on my own hair. bright orange the : first days, moving to more like fire-engine red tones in the two weeks : after that (combination of oxidyzed and unoxidyzed henna), going to : purple/dark brown (oxidyzed with small portions of unoxidyzed henna). : : can anybody comment on this way of understanding things? : : iris
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